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Smith23 · May 28, 2010, 09:42 PM // 21:42

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Originally Posted by chadS

Almost 100% it's not. They never botted on that account therefor they have no reason to ban it.

Unlike Youtube who seem to take stuff down without looking into it first, Anet isn't like that. They made it clear that the 3,700 accounts they banned had been monitored closely for a while to see if the player was indeed using a bot. Once they have proof to 100% decide they where using a bot then they ban them. Anet just doesn't pick out random players and kick them off for no reason.

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Originally Posted by Trancey

ANet is digging their selves into a deeper hole day by day.

and how is that? By them enforcing the rules of the game layout in the user agreement and punishing the players who break it wrong? NO, by them doing this they are actually getting themselves out of the hole all the bots and gold sellers had dug.

Mora · May 28, 2010, 09:46 PM // 21:46

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Originally Posted by Tom Swift

So, botters cheat but NCsoft steals, which is worse?

Charges should have been refused before purchase or refunded immediately upon opening of the new account. to do other wise is theft in my book.

It's not stealing at all. The former players signed the EULA a first time, showing that they agreed to the terms. If you don't agree with something, don't sign a legal document saying that you do.

oscarmk · May 28, 2010, 09:47 PM // 21:47

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Originally Posted by sixdartbart

From Guild Wars User Agreement
http://us.ncsoft.com/en/legal/user-a...agreement.html

lol, I guess they just got owned =D, and there is nothing they can do.

The Drunkard · May 28, 2010, 09:48 PM // 21:48

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Originally Posted by Tom Swift

So, botters cheat but NCsoft steals, which is worse?

Charges should have been refused before purchase or refunded immediately upon opening of the new account. to do other wise is theft in my book.

Anet isn't stealing any money, people decided to ignore the EULA and are (literally) paying for it.

zelgadissan · May 28, 2010, 09:49 PM // 21:49

While I like ArenaNet's actions in principle (you botted, you're done), it's pretty douchey to charge them and then instantly ban them. It's also douchey to charge way more for the games in the online store than brick and mortar stores charge, so it's a double middle finger.

I have no sympathy for those who truly botted and can no longer play; however from a PR standpoint ArenaNet really needs to get that money refunded.

Jenn · May 28, 2010, 09:50 PM // 21:50

To be honest, I would like much, much more concrete information on this before anyone starts throwing around accusations and getting up to their necks in legalese. For all we know, it could be an accident.

I don't want to discredit the original poster, but you're one person and it's hard to verify if we're getting the whole story. If the claims are substantiated, then anyone affected should immediately get in contact with NCSoft.

Del · May 28, 2010, 09:52 PM // 21:52

Ban evasion is against the EULA, yeah it's dick that they take the cash, then ban, but then again, is it worth getting jacked to set up an account to a 5 year old game that's becoming less and less active? Their own fault for not just moving on to new games.

C4RB1N3 · May 28, 2010, 09:54 PM // 21:54

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Originally Posted by Tom Swift

So, botters cheat but NCsoft steals, which is worse

NCsoft as well as Arenanet haven't stolen anything, as stated in the Ncsoft and Arenanet EULA and TOS, former members cannot rejoin, and upon opening an account, you are agreeing to these terms.

headlesshobbs · May 28, 2010, 10:03 PM // 22:03

If anyone wants to come back that badly, you need to change your service provider, CC number etc. It's doable just as long as you don't have any lingering information that says you had a prior account.

Just don't be stupid enough to bot again.

niek2004 · May 28, 2010, 10:04 PM // 22:04

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Originally Posted by Del

Ban evasion is against the EULA, yeah it's dick that they take the cash, then ban, but then again, is it worth getting jacked to set up an account to a 5 year old game that's becoming less and less active? Their own fault for not just moving on to new games.

You know that 90% of the people who got banned for PvP botting just logged in on an alt the next day, right?

IlikeGW · May 28, 2010, 10:04 PM // 22:04

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Originally Posted by zelgadissan

While I like ArenaNet's actions in principle (you botted, you're done), it's pretty douchey to charge them and then instantly ban them.

Yes they should fix the system so it just doesn't let you purchase it. People need to realize though if you're going down in a bot sweep that's it. Don't try to buy the game again.

Del · May 28, 2010, 10:09 PM // 22:09

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Originally Posted by niek2004

You know that 90% of the people who got banned for PvP botting just logged in on an alt the next day, right?

And your point is?

*lemming* · May 28, 2010, 10:15 PM // 22:15

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Originally Posted by Del

And your point is?

It's ridiculous that the person in question was immediately banned on an account he had just bought from the NCSoft store when other people aren't even banned on accounts they already used.

Del · May 28, 2010, 10:18 PM // 22:18

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Originally Posted by lemming

It's ridiculous that the person in question was immediately banned on an account he had just bought from the NCSoft store when other people aren't even banned on accounts they already used.

Oh, didn't think about it from that angle.

Amy Awien · May 28, 2010, 10:18 PM // 22:18

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Originally Posted by niek2004

Is this even legal, buying a product only to have it terminated an hour later?

Probably not. Should not enter in an agreement if they do not intend to honour it.

Ninja Ninja · May 28, 2010, 10:20 PM // 22:20

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Originally Posted by lemming

It's ridiculous that the person in question was immediately banned on an account he had just bought from the NCSoft store when other people aren't even banned on accounts they already used.

Its just the system they have in place, I can expect there will be further progress in bots being banned with the increase in staff and the attention anet is giving it now.

Ildanach · May 28, 2010, 10:20 PM // 22:20

It is not the account that is the culprit, it is the person. If one is banned I see it as being the person that is excluded from the game, not just the account.

Buying another account after being banned sounds like plain idiocy, perhaps in the future they should read the EULA of the games they play.

slowerpoke · May 28, 2010, 10:22 PM // 22:22

Probably to stop the RTM'er from continuing the cycle.

Sarevok Thordin · May 28, 2010, 10:23 PM // 22:23

Gotta love the fine print.

-Vodka- · May 28, 2010, 10:24 PM // 22:24

Either way, even if the point here is to ban additional accounts bought by the 'banned', the least ANET could do is restrict them from buying a new account, rather than taking their money and screwing them over afterward.